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Does the Sugar Lifestyle Have an Expiration Date?
  • Posted Apr 24, 2013
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  • Written by Angela

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We have discussed many things concerning Sugar Babies throughout the course of the blog: Motives Behind Sugaring, What You Need to Know About First Meetings, Screening POT SDs/ SBs, How to End a Sugar Relationship, and many more. However, it seems that we have left one of the white elephants in the room out of the conversation. And that is, “Is there an expiration date to Sugaring?”

First off, there is no real age limit to being a Sugar Baby. Some Sugar Daddies are strict when it comes to their age gaps, whether it’s that their Sugar Baby needs to be 10, 20, or 30 years younger max. While the majority are not. Remember, a 28 year old Sugar Baby is just as attractive as an 18 year old Sugar Baby. When considering whether or not to leave the lifestyle, age should never be a major deciding factor.

Some Sugar Babes leave the scene after finding that they are ready to settle down, either with someone they met while in the Sugar Bowl or out in the conventional dating world.  While other women (and men), who have taken full advantage of their arrangements for all the possible benefits, may leave the Sugar Bowl once they feel it is time to move on.

When it comes to arrangements, it is just like any other relationship. If one party begins to slack on being mutually beneficial, then it may be time to say goodbye. However, if your arrangement has been going well for years and no other Sugar Babies are in the picture (considering that your Sugar Daddy or Mommy is not married), then it may be time to consider dropping the Sugar Daddy or Baby monikers.

So, technically, no. Sugaring does not have an expiration date. There is no rule book that says the Sugar lifestyle is supposed to be temporary. After all, when developing relationships we should all strive to find a partner that is willing to be mutually beneficial.

 What do you think? Does the Sugar Lifestyle have an expiration date?

100 Responses to “Does the Sugar Lifestyle Have an Expiration Date?”

  1. Angela says:

    All personalities and perspectives are welcome in the blog, while personal attacks and name calling are not. It’s inevitable that there will be disagreements but let’s handle it as mature adults with class to keep the dialog constructive and respectful. Please refer to the “Blog Etiquette” for more details. For the newbies, please take a look at the “Sugar Daddy Dating Tips” section on the right for a list of commonly discussed topics and the “SD and SB Blog List” section to see the perspective of other sugars. Now comment away and let’s enjoy the blog…

  2. Name_required says:

    _yawn_

  3. hotsb says:

    First! I’m back!
    How is everyone doing?
    I think the sugar lifestyle has an expiration date. Older gentleman usually don’t want women over 40, so i think it’s very important that sugar babies save as much money as they can because THERE IS AN EXPIRATION DATE EVEN IF PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO ADMITT IT. Save and start a business to support yourself.

  4. Spicey says:

    The next question I’m receiving from sugar babies by email is “how much should I ask for.” (See the Pro SB Blog for my answer to photos). I’m not going to go into the asking/negotiation process here as I’m on vacay. But my general thoughts;

    1. Depends on what you’re looking for. If you’re really looking to fall in luuuurv and get married and make babies you should be focused on the quality of the man, and the connection. I have no advice for lurv-seekers, that’s more a Jersey question (for me sugar is a sexy short term toy, I’m not in the relationship market).

    Note: these are generalizations. For every rule there’s an exception. If you think that you fit into one of these categories but have some exceptional quality, by all means adjust your expectations according to what you know. Only you can decide for you what works. These are just my observations after carefully reviewing a LOT of profiles from SDs and SBs – your results may vary.

    2. Over $7K – You are an independently verified “10″ (this doesn’t mean your past four boyfriends said you’re hot. You were prom queen three years running, Ms. Idaho and a varsity cheerleader in a 2000+ student high school; a regularly paid model working in NYC or Milan; Miss Hawaiian Tropic; a Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader; or some other third party seal of hotness approval). AND you love to f*ck and you’re really good at it, and aren’t afraid to make this at least implied in your profile. However, if you’re hot but not smart, beware – you will be a great target for fakes and time wasters.

    3. $5K-$10K – you are a rare treat in some way. Not an “I’m cute and sweet and kind of bendy” – really rare. As in, a gorgeous grad student with impeccable breeding completely unintimidated by attending a $1,500 a plate black tie event, a professional Contortionist, a domme (lot of sugar to be had for dommes on this site), a Triple E with a 22 inch waste and a degree in microbiology, a 36″ tall flame sword swallower who grew up in Paris.

    4. $3K – $5K – you are SUPER hot with a perfect rack (with the bra off perfect, not well supported by Vicki’s Secret perfect) or a perfect ass, or perfect stomach, or Helen of Troy’s Face. You are college educated, and earn a monthly income similar to the sugar amount you’re hoping for. Expect it to take six months to find your sugar match.

    5. Holding out for $3K – $5K – you don’t feel confident you fit into the above, but you’re only interested in the sugar game if it is for this amount. You will need very good photos, a very sweet disposition, patience, and careful vetting. You will get less traffic by way of messages and views, so target your profile to the man who you think will like your type most. Expect six months to a year and update your profile photos every month in order to generate new traffic to your profile.

    6. $1K – $3K – this is the most reasonable range in the sugar bowl. At this point you should be very cute to pretty, immediately responsive when you get a message on SA, fun in bed, and easy to be with. This is the range with the most competition, so a solid profile and one “Net” photo is needed. (As in a photo so hot men will click on your profile just to figure out “Who is That? Me likey” Make your profile specific – it’ll take 3-6 months to find someone.

    7. Under $1K – you have a vagina, you’re willing to do P4P. You’ll get tons of attention from big time creepers! Best to put the allowance at negotiable, unless you are really just desperate for money, or a Pro.

    8. You want gifts and trips and sexy dinners to expensive places but not an allowance. Put this in your profile. A girl who just wants to be treated well but doesn’t care about allowance can do really well. Just make sure you actually receive those gifts before you put out. Many a man who promises Prada will poof after sex, and you’ll be left NOT holding the bag.

  5. FatBastardSD says:

    @Spicey

    I do hate to argue but….

    The allowance numbers are meaningless without defining the amount of meets per months etc.

    I have seen profiles where the allowance amount is $1500 where after contacting the SB you find out that this implies 1 time per month meeting with an expensive shopping trip and dinner included thrown in on top.

  6. Spicey says:

    True FB, though I would only have an arrangement with someone I want to have sex with, so why would I limit meetings? Typically an SB should assume a weekly meeting or a long weekend every month.

  7. Spicey says:

    Although, at $1,500 I would expect dinner (of course you’d want to enjoy my company) and a gift of some sort in between visits – so things don’t feel so transactional – and I would probably consider that offer in the range of P4P and you would probably only get a few hours of MY time (for me personally, others experiences will vary).

    I have every confidence that before and after a long weekend you would give me well over that amount and consider it some of the best money you ever spent.

    I like my SDs to think of me as their most expensive hobby – it helps them understand just how delightful a time they can expect. ;)

  8. DianaSBinOC says:

    ^ That one time per meeting could include several days or a full weekend. Since I don’t have anything on my profile that suggests “one time” I personally can’t provide any additional information on the subject.

    Still if she’s seeing two or three SDs under that $1500 per month allowance desire, she’s well on her way into the $3,000-$5,000 range. Her issues with a SD poofing on her without notice wouldn’t be much of a concern either.

  9. Spicey says:

    Diana, I would agree, a one time per month sugar should divide my math above by 4. So, a $1,500 one time visit should fit into category 2,3, or 4 most likely.

  10. SDinLA says:

    @Spicey I don’t have a vagina, nor am I willing to do P4P. Is there a #9?

    The last blog entry had an unfortunate title. They really should edit that to “Savvy” or “Experienced” or pretty much anything but “Pro.”

  11. PetiteSweet says:

    I’m a newbie in this sugar thing. I found it’s not easy to talk about what I want on the first meet. Thanks Spicey for sharing your expertise on the money. I met my first potential SD on Monday, he said he never have to sugar baby anyone… He asked me “What do you want from me?” I replied ” Let me get to know you more then I will tell you”… He said he is looking for a girlfriend but it’s been years he hasn’t found one, so he just go out and have dinner with his female friends. He invited me to his weekend house in Miami when I can arrange my time to join him. After dinner he asked if I wanted to visit his house or next time… I said next time I will visit his house. Next morning, he sent an email said “Do you still want to see me next time? Are you attracted to me? Call my number ******** if not, good luck!” .
    :-) I haven’t call him back. He’s posted 51 yrs old but he looks like he is in his 60s. He said he works out at the gym everyday but he doesnt look like a fit man… it looks like he has no discipline in his diet :-). He makes 1 mil or more on income but how do I approach him on the spoiling money part if he not be attentive and generous in term of money… I dont want to price myself with him, he might look down on me… but I dont think I want him as my bf. So I guess I should pass him by then… I guess I have to meet my next… :-)

  12. Spicey says:

    Sorry SDlala, you’ll have to do me for free … when you get over your little “childish” distraction that is.

    I actually don’t mind the term “Pro” as I use it any time I see someone who’s approach to an activity seems respectable. As here, on vacay I am a “Pro” consumer of silver tequila and cheap champagne.

  13. Lo says:

    happy hump day yall

  14. Principium says:

    @ Nicey: How did the typo ($7K) come about on line # 2?! “Shirley” you meant 10K+ (or maybe even 20K+?) How buzzed were you? ;)

  15. sweetie says:

    Hello, lovelies!
    Didn’t find this topic/post particularly insightful. It’s too general, sounds like lack of inspiration on the SA part…

  16. Spicey says:

    Sweetie – many, many margaritas for you.

    Capitol P – even as divine as I am, my experience with SDs who post an allowance over 5K is that the majority are photo collecting fakes and pervos even I wouldn’t tolerate. Better to take a 5-10K SD and convert him. With the right white bikini it isn’t hard to do. ;)

  17. Rosie says:

    Most arrangements do have an expiration date. As they should. Otherwise, it isn’t an arrangement really – it’s a regular relationship. The “sugar lifestyle”, however, can have an indefinite shelf life, just like a cellophane-wrapped, cream filled, sugary twinkie!

  18. Rosie says:

    Sorry for the bold text. I was distracted by some white bikini bottoms.

  19. Principium says:

    @ Nicey: You seem to have developed quite an expertise for this “science” of hot air to sugar conversion. Care to patent your discoveries? Shirley must be more than just the itsy, bitsy lil white bikini (bottoms)? ;)

  20. SDinLA says:

    @Spicey Aw, I get a freebie? Only if I don’t have to go after Principium, I’m kind of a germophobe and have some OCD tendencies. Besides, I don’t want to have to measure up to the four-pack.

    BTW, I am impervious to the allure of bikini bottoms, regardless of colour or who might be wearing them.

    Kidding aside, I think Spicey’s guidelines are actually quite grounded, how can we get all of the entitled princesses with the unrealistic expectations to read them?

    @Principium “Surely you can’t be serious!” “I am serious… and don’t call me Shirley.”

    @FatBastard # of meets was irrelevant to me because my SBs were “girlfriends with boundaries.” One of my SBs actually lived with me for a summer between school years.

  21. Jersey Darling says:

    Several points here…

    Let me start by saying I’ve been pegged as the nice girl looking for love. Really? Clearly I’m not looking for love on SA. Yes I am old fashioned and would LOVE to find my ideal match, but I’ve been single for many years and would prefer to have fun while waiting. That’s what brings me here. Am I open to having a traditional relationship with someone I meet here? Yes, if that is where our chemistry leads us. But I’m perfectly fine and in fact enjoy the boundaries set in an arrangement. I love the open communication and expectation setting. I participate in traditional dating as well.

    1) Re: pictures. This site repeatedly advertises in a way that draws negative attention, and you’ll notice most video clips of the site featured in the news and on shows like Dr. Phil show the featured profile section. If you happen to be unlucky enough to have your picture in rotation there when some news show is recording for a story, your face is officially captured for time immemorial. Because of this I will no longer show a clear shot of my face in my pictures, or at least keep it out of the crop.

    2) Also on pictures, I don’t show a super clear shot of my body anymore. I do have a picture of myself – full body – in a tasteful dress that shows my curves but keeps them covered, and I happen to be wearing shades in the pic. It is enough that someone at a glance can see if they’d be attracted to me, and it leaves mystery that makes them want to see more.

    That is the only picture I have posted. I do not try to attract someone on this site with my looks. There will always be someone prettier, thinner, curvier, or with blonder hair than you. It is a weak way to compete.

    You want to make yourself a unique package, and you want to define who your target audience is. I am one of those curvy girls Spicey mentions, and while many men love a voluptuous woman that is not how I want to win them. I show them just enough to attract them physically and then rope them in with my personality. I let my looks talk for themselves when we meet in person.

  22. Jersey Darling says:

    @PetiteSweet, if you are not attracted, don’t bother. You shouldn’t have to convince a man to spoil you or he will resent every penny he gives you.

    If he is not naturally generous, he is not cut out for this. I’d move on.

  23. Spicey says:

    Petite Sweet – I agree with Jersey. Sounds like a time waster who doesn’t understand “arrangement” moveon.org. If he offers, great. If not, at least you haven’t wasted any more sugar time on him.

  24. Spicey says:

    SDlala – gross! Of course you and only you. ;) lol.

  25. Principium says:

    @ Jersey: H E L L O there!!! Something different about you? ;)

  26. Principium says:

    @ SDinLA: It just shows our age demographics (4-pack or no-pack), as you picked up on “Shirley” one of those pitch perfect deadpan (an oxymoron?) deliveries of the Superb, Great late Leslie Nielsen…

    Plus if you truly believe the naughty Nicey Spicey, may I also sell you a piece of prime beach front land which I own on the Moon?

  27. PetiteSweet says:

    Thank you! I decided not to call him but only sent him a good luck message. I tried to look pass the physical a bit but for sure I would love my SD be generous genuinely without me even ask for it.

    There is one SD sent me message said that he is a very busy businessman who travel regularly. Looking for a strong woman who can handle his alpha male characters. Presentable to be with him at business events and freaky in bed, know how to have fun with other females in the bedroom. :-/ What a turn off message for me :-). I can take care of myself and can be attentive to a man’s wants and needs but getting with other females is a “No” for me. I’m not attracted to females sexually (even though I would stare at a beautiful lady if I see her lol) and definitely I’m not sharing in bed. He can go somewhere else with other women is his business but don’t talk about them to me. When be with me, the gentleman has to focus all on me and him…and the good time we have no other women distractions please! I’m not jealous but I want to feel special. smh!!!

    Not sure if I would find a real SD, but getting these messages are opening my
    eyes ;-).

  28. Principium says:

    Oh PetiteSweet, you have busted me out twice already! Stop exposing me on here and give me a day or two to conjure up an intelligent message to earn both your heart & undivided attention :D

    Seriously though, I can’t believe that a guy apparently in his 60′s (pretending to be a decade younger) seems so butt-hurt that he communicates like a 20 YO, what a day after he doesn’t hear back? Wow!

  29. Rosie says:

    Lol, I love Leslie Neilson. Yummy SD!

  30. Rosie says:

    Want to catch up on the bloggity blog so badly! Work first. Play later. Hope everyone is having a sexy fun night!

  31. Spicey says:

    SDlala – Capitol P has already admitted I am priced outside of his interest, regardless of the color of my bikini bottoms. ;) so you’ll have to place me on the pedalstool with all the other pussy and see how it works out. ;)

  32. Spicey says:

    Capitol P – not sure what this means “Plus if you truly believe the naughty Nicey Spicey, may I also sell you a piece of prime beach front land which I own on the Moon?”

  33. Jersey Darling says:

    On topic, I’ve never felt sugar needs to have a built in expiration date, though an arrangement can certainly be set up that way.

    Personally due to my criteria, if I 1) find someone I have enough of a connection with that I wanted to pursue an arrangement with them to begin with, and 2) have actually been enjoying my arrangement with them, I have no reason to want it to end unless 3) I’ve found my match I’m ready to settle down with and that match isn’t the person I’m in the arrangement with.

  34. Rosie says:

    @PetiteSweetSB

    Hang in there honey bunny! There are REAL SDs out there! And a perfect one for you. :)

  35. London Girl says:

    @Principium, I’m sorry but SDinLA’s funds will be unavailable, he’s recently bought a beautiful old historical bridge that I had going spare in London!

  36. DianaSBinOC says:

    @PetiteSweetSB

    I have gotten a few messages from similar types. One SD said he had two submissive type SB’s and desired adding a third all complete with an offer of a 20,000K allowance.Whether the SD was real or fake wasn’t even my concern. It was more so that I can find women attractive but I’m not bisexual or heteroflexible. His pictures were great, seriously a handsome younger SD but my readings on the Kinsey scale don’t change because of great looks and a high allowance. I wished him the best on his search after sending on a warm compliment.

  37. PetiteSweet says:

    @ Rosie and Diana: Perhaps, the bisexual ladies would be thrilled to get these offers.

    @ P: you are so silly!!! Being funny and silly would make you a magnet to the ladies! I believe it.

  38. Principium says:

    @ LG: I do believe that bridge is now proudly erected somewhere in Lake Havasu City in Zona.

    One disclosure about outer space bodies of liquid (may change your mind about my beach front property) is that they are seas of liquid Ethane and not water! But the prices are unbeatable :)

    @ Petite: there was a mini discussion in here before you came on board (on the last blog) about the subject of SA trifecta. Everyone had a different take on the perfect trifecta, but I think that your potential SD takes the cake! Three submissive SBs @ $20K per SB!

    I’d like to anoint that SD the clear winner of the SA trifecta prize. Tell him to come and collect his winning on this blog. Tell him that he has won the “Spicey” Trophy.

  39. RussianSB says:

    SDinLA, why not ” pro ” ? Even military protection system called PRO.
    What about marriage advertisement , professional … looking for professional someone …

  40. DianaSBinOC says:

    @PetiteSweetSB

    > “Do you still want to see me next time? Are you attracted to me? Call my number ******** if not, good luck!” .
    I haven’t call him back. He’s posted 51 yrs old but he looks like he is in his 60s. He said he works out at the gym everyday but he doesnt look like a fit man… it looks like he has no discipline in his diet . He makes 1 mil or more on income but how do I approach him on the spoiling money part if he not be attentive and generous in term of money… I dont want to price myself with him, he might look down on me… but I dont think I want him as my bf. So I guess I should pass him by then… I guess I have to meet my next…

    Eject fast on this one. The is guy is delusional. I can almost guarantee there is nothing on his profile that states “seeking girlfriend”. He’s a fake and a short tempered one at that. The text message of “goodluck + “!” shows he doesn’t wish you good luck at all.

    There is nothing wrong with someone seeking a girlfriend or boyfriend on this site but obviously many realize that if they place this on their profile most will pass over them. I had one SD contact me and I told him I’m not interested in a husband. He actually had the relationship mapped out ” we’ll date for 1 month or 2 then I need to see you’re seriously about marriage”. This of course was all in the first message. When I responded with “I’m seeking a sugar daddy not a husband but I thank you for your kind message”. He responded with ” you profile makes no sense! , not interested!”.

    Sounds mentally off right? Exactly.

    I actually had to double check my profile to make make sure I didn’t have ” wife, husband, babies, marriage, forever, happily ever after”. Nope not there.

    Ohh and “want to see my house” he said that twice? Pass.

    “how do I approach him on the spoiling money part”

    For this type you don’t. I can almost guarantee that if you bring up “spoiling” you’ll be met with a flustered reaction, stuttering or he’ll get quite nasty. When more than one thing doesn’t match up that’s your gut instinct stating” something isn’t right”. Plus you don’t throw “girlfriend” on someone after you’ve gotten them out of their home to meet you as a sugar daddy. I see that as a bait and switch tactic.

    If you decide to still talk to him just ask him over the phone. I suggest first put his user name in a google search just to see if anything pops up. Also try looking at the fake sugar daddies blog spot to see if there is any information there.

    Typically I ask early on what type of sugar daddy they are. Or even “are you a sugar daddy?”. It seems strange to even have to ask this question but you’ll be surprised how many say NO. In other cases the voice gets deeper or louder and at that point you’re well aware you’ve hit a sore topic.

  41. Lo says:

    I’d maybe consider the other girls as part of the arrangement provided they are clean and attractive. I wouldn’t have a relationship with a girl but I think they’re sexy enough to play with. I guess that makes me…heteroflexible?? lol. Sounds like a real porn fantasy come to life though–some of these guys are molding their lives like its made out of clay.

  42. Principium says:

    I quite liked FB’s response on the trifecta discussion subject, to what DianaSB brought up in the last paragraph of her post above Lo’s. For those who missed it (since I don’t remember the exact wording, I must paraphrase) it went something like this:

    “I’m real, I have the allowance and I will give allowance” The rest depends on the expectations and the negotiating of the terms of your own specific arrangement. There is no one size fits all solution.

    @ DianaSB: I have said it before that one must keenly observe body language and demeanor of the person he/she is discussing the details and the dynamics of the arrangement with. Change in the voice tonality can be deceiving though, because sometimes a nervous “buyer” or “seller” does can let the nerves to get the best of him/her. I won’t be totally dismissive of that person, as a good negotiator should be able to calm the other person’s nerves and try to close the deal.

    Sometimes the cool, calm and nonchalant punters are the one’s you ought to watch out for too. JMO!

  43. FatBastardSD says:

    First thing I have to say is that I like the cold war like escalation that is happening with Spicey’s and Jersey Darling’s gravatar pictures. We just have to wait to see which of the girls will be the first to launch a preemptive topless photo.

  44. FatBastardSD says:

    I think Principium has made a good point about dismissing people too soon. For example I had no idea goodluck + ! could be interpreted in a bad way.

    Many SB’s have rightly pointed out that this SA is not regular dating. Many SB’s use the same process to find an arrangement that they use in regular dating: rejecting someone for a superficial reason in regular dating == rejecting someone because they write goodluck + !. Until this mentality is changed a SB will have a difficult time on the site. A case in point how often does a new SB post here asking the SD’s for advise? Seems like that would be a good approach but one that is rarely used.

  45. Jersey Darling says:

    @FatBastard – haha, I took the picture a few days ago and was waffling on if I wanted to post it. But I thought of you and your desire for proof of the WMDDs, so I figured I’d post it. Now I’m just waiting for a picture of you!

    Also, back when more SDs posted I loved their conversation on here. It was their conversation that I really came for, as they’d often start up interesting debates that I personally found more interesting than a focus on how one’s nail polish shouldn’t be chipped and how much to charge. Alas, seems like many of the better SDs don’t post anymore!

  46. Principium says:

    FB: I’d like to take the credit for the first topless picture on here. Show me one previous SD who went topless, just one!

    OK, one of you ladies needs to jump in, in the name of equality et al :)

  47. Jersey Darling says:

    Ask Spicey, she’s the one on a spring break vacation :P

  48. Beach_Girl says:

    Hello Sugars!

    I hope everyone is doing good. Read a bit here

    Spicey~ I don’t agree with your first statement, that SBs should be younger than 40… I know some that are older and have great SDs… Allowances, it depends really, but I’m not sure your assessment was all accurate, just my opinion.

    There are SDs for everyone out there, they just need to be found! A hard thing to do on this site now, as it’s more publicized. A lot of SDs on here are out for P4P or a girlfriend, so screen as much as possible and be upfront about what you want

    So, I was a light smoker, yep… I started again last year after some bad events. Today, day one of not smoking! Doing great. Wish me luck :D

  49. GenuineSD says:

    Greetings all… I’ve been very sporadic as a participant due to work pressures – hope to improve on that now…

    @beach_girl
    I agree with you, I’ve had the great pleasure of an arrangement with an 40+ SB… A wonderful experience…
    I think success is dependent on knowing yourself well and polishing your strengths…
    An older SB can bring life experience and a subtle sensitivity to intimacy. There’s someone for everyone ….

  50. DianaSBinOC says:

    @Principium~

    @ DianaSB: I have said it before that one must keenly observe body language and demeanor of the person he/she is discussing the details and the dynamics of the arrangement with. Change in the voice tonality can be deceiving though, because sometimes a nervous “buyer” or “seller” does can let the nerves to get the best of him/her. I won’t be totally dismissive of that person, as a good negotiator should be able to calm the other person’s nerves and try to close the deal.

    Sometimes the cool, calm and nonchalant punters are the one’s you ought to watch out for too. JMO!

    This is true quite true. My hope is that some of these things can be brought up prior to a meet. “What are you really looking for?” generally brings people to deep thought.

    Also the cool calm types generally poof. I’d rather have someone poof on me than actually get dolled up sit across the table from them to find out oops I’m just looking for a girlfriend. Now I’ve had generous boyfriends not really by sugar standards but they did they best they could. Whatever they had they gave me most:) So I’m not exactly sure why “those” bait and switch types think dinner+ sex+movie only is acceptable. Sure if you’re a 18-22 year old man but come on.. 60? That’s just umm…. yeah.

    I think I already posted about the guy with his “5 Star Dinner” speech. That was the best! Could you imagine asking him to name a few and saying ” Nope this isn’t going to work , you were about to take me to a 4 Star Restaurant!! It’s over how could you!! ” lol

    Also why isn’t there an option on the site that has “no allowance”. Wouldn’t that be the best?

  51. DianaSBinOC says:

    @ FatBastard -

    If you really think I expected her to pass on the guy because of “good luck” you really …
    Ohh right I keep forgetting. You purposely misinterpret things for a great argument that goes nowhere.

    Nice. Almost tripped over that one!

    Carry on good chap:)

  52. FatBastardSD says:

    @DianaSBinOC

    “The text message of “goodluck + “!” shows he doesn’t wish you good luck at all”

    Did I misunderstand this quote of yours?

  53. FatBastardSD says:

    @DianaSBinOC

    Out of curiosity, how long have you been on the SA site and how many arrangements have you been in through the site?

  54. FatBastardSD says:

    @Principium

    The shirtless photo was the ultimate “cock block” move on your part. The SB’s are bad enough but you have added to the problem. As of now a proper SD should be a 50 year old wealthy, handsome man with six pack abs and a tongue like Gene Simmons who loves to take girls shopping for yoga pants and give $3K/month just to get the time of day.

    There is no honor among thieves!

  55. DianaSBinOC says:

    @FatBastard-

    “The shirtless photo was the ultimate “cock block” move on your part. The SB’s are bad enough but you have added to the problem. As of now a proper SD should be a 50 year old wealthy, handsome man with six pack abs and a tongue like Gene Simmons who loves to take girls shopping for yoga pants and give $3K/month just to get the time of day.”

    “There is no honor among thieves!”

    You’re the Sheriff of Nottingham and he’s Robin Hood:)

    “Play the game or go home” ~ Your words ….get used to them.

  56. To m says:

    Sometimes Im wondering is there real Sugar Mummies on here.

  57. FatBastardSD says:

    @DianaSBinOC

    Oh, a challenge is it? Well then what allowance are you looking for?

  58. Principium says:

    @ FBSD: Touché Sire as you are unintionally and quite accidentally one funny MoFo! For the sake of honesty, I never claimed to be either wealthy or presently adorned with rippling 6-pack abdomens.

    I do fine financially which affords me to dabble in this field adhereing to your moto of being real and having the means to give an allowance above and over what seems to be the P4P rates and methods on this site. However, in this country wealthy has quite a different meaning to me than the aforementioned and therefore by mynownndefintion, wealthy I am not!

    I practice kick-boxing + cross-fit and with rigorous training and desciplined diet, I do indeed possess the displayed torso. Nevertheless, a complete 6-pack has been impossible to attain at this age without resorting to pharmaceuticals. At times, I like to eat & drink and enjoy life too, so I may appear smoother but I never, ever bounce up and down more than 10 lbs in my weight range.

    Yesss on the tight Lulu Lemon yoga pants & their attire as I love to see my woman in them. Busted!

    @ DianaSB: I like the idea of stealing frommthenrich and the redistribution to the less fortunate, but not quite sure if I enjoy the idea of living around a bunch of me whilst wearing tight pants. I’ll have to think about that one ;)

  59. Principium says:

    @ DianaSB: I like the idea of stealing from the wealthy and redistribution to the less fortunate, but not quite sure if I enjoy the idea of living around a bunch of “men” whilst wearing tight pants. I’ll have to think about that one ;)

  60. SDinLA says:

    @Principium “It’s the same old story. SD finds SB, SD loses SB, SB finds SD, SD forgets SB, SD remembers SB, SB dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year’s Day…” “Goodyear?” “No, the worst.”

    @Spicey I don’t think the pedestal will suit the decor of your dungeon.

    @Principium and London Girl There is a method to my madness. Everyone else is offering “Space Tourist” flights that merely take you up into space and then back to earth. What kind of shite tour is that? I am moving the bridge LG sold me to the beach on the moon that Principium sold me so I can charge much higher prices for my space tourism venture. Take that Lake Havasu and Richard Branson!

    @RussianSB Why not “Pro?” Because it has certain negative connotations when one refers to anything involving sex. In many cases, you definitely want a professional over an amateur: doctors, lawyers, airplane pilots… and especially with phylactics. Amateur phylactics are definitely inferior to the pro version.

    @Lo I prefer my women to be flexible whether they are hetero or not.

    @FatBastard Confucius say, he who has no gravatar picture can not egg on others about their gravatars pruriently.

    Rejecting someone because they use an exclamation mark is crazy. “The negation of p, or “not p” can be written as “!p” so perhaps the remark was meant to suggest humorously that adding an exclamation mark negated the “good luck” Yes no maybe? That’s all I got.

    @Jersey So, what you’re saying is you like to eavesdrop on SD conversations?

    @Beach Congratulations on stopping smoking! Your lungs thank you.

    @Diana You date 18-22 year old men? I didn’t know you were a Cougar! When you date 18-22 year old coeds as I did, you didn’t get some sexy sounding name that begets a TV show with Courteney Cox, you just got called a Dirty Old Man!

    “No allowance?” You mean SBs are giving it away for free? So THAT’S why Spicey made me that offer. Now I don’t feel so special. :-(

    @Prince again We already have a system of stealing from the rich and redistributing it to the poor, it’s called “progressive taxation!”

  61. sassynsweet says:

    I do yoga and no six pack, but abs so flat you can rest your crystal champagne glass on them. Anyone want to buy me Lulumon gear? ;)

  62. London Girl says:

    Never heard of Lululemon before but repeated mentions of it caused me to google it and the only shop in the UK is just a few doors away from where I used to live!

    A bit random but I thought I’d share because I like random.

    @SDinLA, if you need any more historical London bridges for your fabulous new moon resort please don’t hesitate to let me know, as a repeat customer you get a free troll to live under the next one!

  63. Spicey says:

    Sweetie – I don’t believe I ever said an SB should be under 40, though a younger SB will get more offers. I may have suggested setting one’s profile to an age under 40 (if they can get away with it) as it will keep SBs from getting filtered by agists – especially if said 40+ SB is rocking an awesome rig that makes her competitive against less fit younger SBs. Women get better with age, as long as we keep things tight and toned.

    SDlala – As I’ve said before, I’m into using pleasure as a device for power exchange. I’m not really into the pain thing (except for the exquisite pain of denial) “@Spicey I don’t think the pedestal will suit the decor of your dungeon.” The pedalstool looks lovely from that position.

    Regarding heteroflexibility, I love a beautiful female form, but eventually playing with girls just turns me on for something of the phallic nature. ;)

  64. Jersey Darling says:

    @Spicey, we need an update on how things turned out with your SD?

    Are you currently on the vacation that he paid for?

  65. Jersey Darling says:

    PS – Of course London would be selling a bridge, let’s hope it doesn’t fall down!

  66. OZSD says:

    The best arrangement I have had so far with an SB ended approximately two years ago without any slacking off by either of us life choices dictated events – basically she was in a long term relationship but she never let that stop her keeping regular meetings with me and often spontaneous ones (which sort of shocked me a little in spite of myself at the beginning of our arrangement). Anyway in the end she had to decide whether to go with her long term partner when he moved interstate for not and she chose to make the move. Will be honest and say I regret that I maybe didn’t offer her enough of a choice about whether she could have stayed and had something more permanent normal etc with me which I would have jumped at…but we had always been so careful to respect that boundary negotiated between us at the start so I didn’t know whether to be clearer in communicating my thoughts.
    Guess my point is expiration doesn’t have to be because an SB or SD isn’t doing their part – sh#t happens

  67. Frank says:

    Hello everybody-been reading but not posting.

    Beach girl, make that quitting thing stick this time!

    Prince-sounds like you are fit. I run a little and cycle a lot, I just might post a photo of my legs if we can get London girl and Beach girl to do the same.

  68. London Girl says:

    Legs or boobs Frank? A lady never shows both at the same time!

  69. London Girl says:

    @Jersey, my bridges never fall down and they come with a certificate of historical authenticity…

  70. OZSD says:

    @ Spicey not going to tell u I like ur list again..broken record territory. Not sure you totally spot on this time but I think very close! It’s not about the sugar but who can be bothered!
    @Beach girl I’m on board with your take on age..the challenge can be how your age affects your attitudes for better or worse.

  71. FatBastardSD says:

    @OZSD

    If you would have jumped at the chance for something long term and normal would it be fair to say that you stopped having a SB/SD relationship quite some time ago?

    @All

    A rich guy who marries a woman who has less financial resources will pretty much behave as a SD in any case, in terms of financially taking care of his wife. The classic mistress senario is the same (you cannot marry her but you still end up providing for her). At what point does a long term SD/SB relationship mimic two people being married or a guy and his mistress? Is this the natural progression for a long term arrangement?

  72. DianaSBinOC says:

    @ DianaSB: I like the idea of stealing frommthenrich and the redistribution to the less fortunate, but not quite sure if I enjoy the idea of living around a bunch of me whilst wearing tight pants. I’ll have to think about that one

    There is nothing wrong with men wearing tight pants. Nothing…

    @ SDinLA – No A. not a cougar
    B. don’t date men 18yr-22yrs. Although they hit on me quite a bit.

    The reason for the “Dirty Old Man” view is because of the behavior that comes from well…. the dirty old grumpy men. lol Once you open your inbox and receive a lovely first “orally gifted” from someone that puts their teeth in a glass at night, well they mess up the view for everyone. It’s having tact or some common sense that those behaviors don’t stimulate a woman in the way in which they hope.

  73. DianaSBinOC says:

    @FatBastard~

    “Oh, a challenge is it?”

    That’s your problem. You see this as a fight and a battle. When you view the opposite sex differently, you may actually be viewed differently as well.

    Until that time…

  74. Beach_Girl says:

    Hello Sugars!!! :D

    SDinLA~ Thank you
    Frank~ Yes, I will make it last this time…:D
    OZSD~I do think it’s how you act and how you deal with things, It’s different when your older

    So, Day 2 of not smoking… not too bad… off to take a walk to get my mind off of it… Hey, I’ll be in better shape too :D
    Have a great day Sugars

  75. Beach_Girl says:

    Frank~ Legs?!?!? Here you go :D

  76. Rosie says:

    “@All, A rich guy who marries a woman who has less financial resources will pretty much behave as a SD in any case, in terms of financially taking care of his wife. The classic mistress senario is the same (you cannot marry her but you still end up providing for her). At what point does a long term SD/SB relationship mimic two people being married or a guy and his mistress? Is this the natural progression for a long term arrangement?” -FatBastardSD

    Preface: Not sure why I always take the challenge to respond to FB’s inquiries as I know I’ll be dubbed as being wrong by him, but I guess his questions intrigue/interest me! Here I go with my thoughts on this.

    Yes, it’s natural. They are all one in the same, aren’t they? Before nicknames like Sugar Baby and Sugar Daddy ever existed, these relationships were always around.

  77. Rosie says:

    I hit enter too soon. Had to take a business call. To be continued.

  78. SDinLA says:

    @sassy Flat tummies are great but not necessary, women should have curves and be soft in the right places! Six packs on females are no bueno, that means they spend way too much time in the gym looking in a mirror. Check with Prince re: buying you Lululemon swag, I think he gets a permanent discount from them.

    @London Girl One bridge is more than enough, but a nice shrubbery to put next to it would be brilliant. Got any of those?

    @Spicey “The exquisite pain of denial” Ohhhhh, so THAT’s what my ex was doing for all those years with the denial!

    @Jersey But if there’s a troll living under the bridge, don’t we want the bridge to fall down and crush the troll?

    @OZSD re: relocation ending an arrangement. Yes, there are ways for arrangements to end amicably, and one party moving is one. That’s why my long term SBs and I used their graduation as the “expiration date”, it put a defined end on things and reduced the chances of bad feelings, misunderstandings, unmet expectations etc. and acted as a bookend on that chapter in their lives (and mine.)

    @Frank Prince posting his abs seems to have upped the sexy SB avatar quotient, so maybe if you post your legs that will help? Sadly, I use a photo of a completely naked pussy in mine and that didn’t cause any reciprocal behavior. :-(

    @London Girl again One leg and one boob? P.S. What is it with you and bridges? Bridges often span a body of water, do you have some kind of obsession with water and/or getting wet?

    @FatBastard That is EXACTLY why after my divorce I ended up with SBs. I was too traumatized for a serious relationship and every woman I went on a conventional date on started talking about marriage after seemingly two dates at most, and I figured “I’ve paid for everything my whole life with every woman I have dated/married, so rather than just do that because I think that’s what a gentleman does, why not use that leverage to enforce some boundaries that fit your current situation?” And “girlfriend with an expiration date” fit my needs and theirs.

    @Diana I was just teasing. And I really only ever got the disapproving looks from the uptight old farts, or the 30-something women who were obsessed by the sound of their own biological clocks ticking. Unsurprisingly, other men tended to approve of a guy having an attractive young woman as a companion. I look young so I haven’t been called a Dirty Old Man (yet.)

  79. Rosie says:

    Love coming back to the blog an sseeing sexy legs and boobies. Might make me heteroflexible….

  80. London Girl says:

    @SDinLA, I would love to help you out with some nice shrubbery but we keep our bushes well trimmed in London so not sure how picturesque it would be…

    And yes, I love water! Especially skinny-dipping, unfortunately with the English weather that’s a pleasure for when abroad…

    One leg, one boob is far too complicated, you and Frank are going to have to choose one or the other!

  81. Frank says:

    SD in LA, your pussy sure has a lot of fur, that wax job is going to be painful!

    London girl, you can pick, 2 boobs, 2 legs, one of each, or one backside!

  82. FatBastardSD says:

    @DianaSBinOC

    I think you have misunderstood me. I am an equal opportunity Bastard.

    @Rosie

    I actually agree with what you are saying…Na just kidding, you are wrong.

    @SDinLA

    I like that explanation. The allowance is in place because it let’s you set the boundaries up front.

  83. FatBastardSD says:

    @ Frank

    Let’s not rush to shaving/waxing the pussy. There is room for variety.

    [\img]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueMtrN0RQrY[\img]

  84. SDinLA says:

    @London Girl well trimmed bushes can be very picturesque! re: Ingerlund being to chilly to skinny dip, perhaps you can find other ways to get wet!

    OK, post a pic of your boobs for me, and a pic of your legs for Frank, job done!

    @Frank My furry pussy stays warm in winter. I’m going for that retro 1970s look, no waxing required. Rawr.

    Do we get to choose between original recipe or spicy and white or dark as well?

  85. FatBastardSD says:

    @DianaSBinOC

    I forgot to ask is the guy who puts his teeth in a glass claiming he is gifted at giving oral sex because he has no teeth, or does he want you to be orally gifted?

    I can somewhat see why such a discussion would be nasty in the first message. I mean stuff like that should wait to be brought up during appetizers on the first meet.

  86. London Girl says:

    @SDinLA, I’m sorry but I have to be strict about this, it’s either legs or boobs. Decide amongst yourselves and let me know!

    @FatBastard, honestly , I think conversations like that should be kept until at least the dessert course, maybe you could initiate it by asking her if she would like to be the dessert? Thereby also showing sensitivity towards any diet she may be on.

  87. WCSD says:

    @London – Never heard of Lulu?? Living in Vancouver (origin of the business) it is like a cult or even better a normal uniform here. It is almost impossible to go out and not see many, many (most) people (women) in their clothing. Most of the time it is a good thing…but some people just shouldn’t be in tight yoga pants.

  88. London Girl says:

    No, honestly never heard of it before, but I guess as they only seem to have one shop here so far that’s not too surprising!

    Mmm… I agree, sports clothes should really only be worn by people who are actually doing some form of exercise or are on their way to or from said exercise. And other people should never wear it at all!

  89. Lo says:

    okay my SD keeps tabs on me and it’s kind of annoying. He’ll check my profile to see my last login date and then he’ll email me and say “I noticed you’ve been logging on a lot, are you looking for a new SD?” I honestly just log on because I’ll get bored and want to read messages but I don’t act on them…Then I notice his emails will be cold/different after he sees I’ve logged on. Like he won’t put a smiley or say he’ll miss me or anything like that.

    Dear SD,
    chillax

  90. Lo says:

    I’ve also already told him that I log on for personal amusement and that I’m not looking for a new SD…but he seems like he doesn’t trust me. Honestly guys have a hard time trusting me and I don’t know why? My ex was the same…paranoid about me doing stuff with other people, and so is this SD. I’m pretty loyal???

  91. Jersey Darling says:

    @Lo, he’s logging in too to check up on you so he doesn’t have a leg to stand on.

    If you are in an NSA arrangement, he shouldn’t care. If he wants to insist that you are exclusive to him, you should delete your profile – you haven’t promised to be exclusive, have you?

  92. Jersey Darling says:

    I also never heard of lululemon until now. Just can’t see spending $100 on yoga pants, but that’s me!

  93. Lo says:

    yeah I just ended up deleting my profile from that site :/ too much dramaz…

  94. Spicey says:

    Et al: yes, my dear SD paid for the lovely vacay I am now enjoying. Since his “surgery” which I was unable to verify when I called the hospital he said he was “recovering” at in Cali, I’ve told him I would be radio silent. I do not expect to hear from him again after he failed to keep his end of our arrangement this month. Wish I hadn’t bought new furniture on the AMEX he pledged to pay for, but all will be we’ll somehow

    SDlala – only counts as “exquisite denial” if she has you tied down and her mouth on you in the seconds before backing away with a wicked grin. ;) general “I’m not in the mood” doesn’t count!

  95. DianaSBinOC says:

    @Rosie I second your comment as well to FatBastard.

    “@All, A rich guy who marries a woman who has less financial resources will pretty much behave as a SD in any case, in terms of financially taking care of his wife. The classic mistress senario is the same (you cannot marry her but you still end up providing for her). At what point does a long term SD/SB relationship mimic two people being married or a guy and his mistress? Is this the natural progression for a long term arrangement?” -FatBastardSD

    A boyfriend. Plain and simple. His wealth doesn’t determine his title if he’s dating any woman.

    Also women dating men that are say married in power positions generally aren’t after the monetary benefits but how he’s viewed in the eyes of others. His position in the world. Gifts could and may be involved but in those cases she’s already had a crush on him for some time. There are those that feel if they sleep with a person with power or in a power position, they’ve become powerful themselves.

    It’s like for example sleeping with a doctor. Knowing he may have saved someone’s life by performing a groundbreaking procedure would instantly put him on the ” I want to…… while he’s wearing scrubs.” lol

    @SDinLA

    “I was just teasing. And I really only ever got the disapproving looks from the uptight old farts, or the 30-something women who were obsessed by the sound of their own biological clocks ticking. Unsurprisingly, other men tended to approve of a guy having an attractive young woman as a companion. I look young so I haven’t been called a Dirty Old Man (yet.)”

    Men of course are going to approve because in the back of their minds they’re thinking “why isn’t that me??!!”.

    For any woman young or older they’ll first think the negatives ” he’s looking for a child, he’s immature or he wants someone easy to control”. That’s the assumption and in some cases true. Many younger women find older men attractive but generally when it’s too old it becomes creepy unless he’s extremely wealthy. Obviously I’m not talking sugar sites but the not so sugar US.

    If you see another one of those snarling bitty types that are worried about their biological clock, hold up your watch to your ear and gesture to them ” this is my watch not yours”. They’ll get it lol:)

    Actually you made me remember coming across a profile (not on SA) of a man that had a very clear picture up of himself with a line of text ” the youngest I’m willing to date is 16yrs old”. I was like huh wtf? lol

    As much as I hoped this was a profile out of the country sadly this was a man right here in the states. Unless the laws of dating a 16 year old are different in another state, I assumed they were jailbait?

  96. DianaSBinOC says:

    Ohh forgot to add or good looking:) ^

    “Then I notice his emails will be cold/different after he sees I’ve logged on. Like he won’t put a smiley or say he’ll miss me or anything like that.”

    Well you can remove your “last log in” appearing on your profile. If you do that he will only know when you’re online if you’re online at the time he actually checks. Also isn’t he married? So married man desires monogamy? Sounds a tad controlling but people want what they want I suppose.

    Ok I looked up lululemon and the only item I want to see is the heat it up short. Some of the reviews are hilarious!

  97. Lo says:

    hi diana, thanks for the advice. On that site I don’t have that option so I just had to delete my profile. You’re right it’s a bit weird considering he has a wife. He said he’s cool with me seeing guys just not other SDs…He would check my login status all the time, kinda ridiculous if you think about it.

  98. lil_TM says:

    “Sometimes the cool, calm and nonchalant punters are the one’s you ought to watch out for too. JMO!”

    I completely agree! While I’ve become adept at reading a person fairly quickly, I still struggle with remaining cool as a cucumber myself. I guess everything comes with time. :) But I do admire those that are able to pull it off.

    I still say common sense plays a large role in this whole thing. I can tell within a few e-mails if a pot SD is someone who is worth meeting. There are respectful gentleman and there are the others.

    The creepy ones do not take long to show their true colors.

    I’ve been on a few regular dating sites over time and it’s a lot like those. If someone is requesting scantily clad pictures or sending pictures of themselves naked, you know what you’re dealing with.
    What ever happened to leaving a little to the imagination? The type of man I would want to get involved with, SD or not, understands the art of the tease and building up the anticipation. Sure, you may want to rip each others clothes off immediately, but won’t it be so much better if you play the game a little and build some serious sexual tension? :)

  99. flyr says:

    @OZ – Unless you have permanent aspirations for your SB I think it’s best to recognize that the relationships are mutually beneficial until they get in the way of long term aspirations. I’vs said goodbye to several SB’s as their life changed through graduation and relocation, their falling in love etc. We’ve had a great relationship that was good for both, it’s time to celebrate the success and toast to new lives.

  100. Able Secret says:

    I’m 42 and I’m getting emails from younger guys and older….so the “over 40″ thing isn’t applicable to everyone. I’m pretty flattered because I know I’m competing with 20 something women. 3-6 months to find a SD….I don’t know if I’m that patient, lol.

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